Episode 12

🍪 From Cookies to Confidence: Using Cooking to Foster Emotional Connection with Kids

In this episode of Mealtime Magic & Mayhem, host Tricia Clark is joined by parenting and behavior coach, Meagan Duncan. They dive into the unique perspective of using cooking as a way to build emotional connections with children. Meagan, who is both a foster mom and a bio mom, shares her journey of bringing foster kids into her home and creating a cohesive household with her own children.

🔸 Meagan emphasizes the importance of cooking with kids, highlighting how it touches on various points. Cooking allows parents to model making mistakes, cleaning up, and understanding that mistakes don't define them. It also provides an opportunity to bond and connect with the children.

🔸 Tricia and Meagan discuss how cooking not only promotes connection but also instills important life skills like cooperation, math, and problem-solving.

🍽️ The conversation moves on to modeling behaviors while cooking together. Meagan stresses the importance of parents modeling quality behaviors for their children, such as trust, tasting each other's creations, and rating dishes together.

Tune in to this episode of Mealtime Magic & Mayhem to learn more about the emotional power of cooking with kids and how it can foster confidence and connections. 🎧👨‍🍳👩‍🍳


Meagans Links:

Website: Connectedkidsthrive.com

20 Tips for Cooking with Kids: https://4kids.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/20%2BBenefits_of_Cooking+_with_our_Kiddos_ConnectedKidsThrive+(4).pdf

Transcript
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Welcome to another episode of Neil Time Magic in mayhem.

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We're mixing things up a little bit today, and I have Megan

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Duncan here with me. She is a parenting and behavior

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coach, and she has a really unique perspective on cooking the kids in the kitchen.

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She is a foster mom and a bio mom, and she's been

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serving families for over 16 years. She's certified and positive

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discipline with a background of pediatric speech therapy,

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and really uses proven tools of positive discipline to get kids

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to listen and cooperate without having to yell, bribe, threaten,

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or Umish. She really loves to encourage parents to cook

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with their kiddos, and we're gonna hear more about her

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philosophy on making connections in the kitchen, but I'm so

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excited to have you here to talk to us

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about all of these things from really building that sense of

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family, to how we connect with kids in the kitchen

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to a discussion on maybe some picky eating. I think

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there's just a wealth of information that we could go into. So welcome

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to podcast. I'm so glad you're here. Thank you. I'm excited to be

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here. So could you share a bit about

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your journey, or what does that look like? You're a parenting and behavior coach.

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You've got your own kids. You're bringing foster kids into your home.

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What does that look like? Like, I can only imagine the challenges

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that can lie in that space because you're bringing foster

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kids in, and there's a reason that they need to come to your home. Right?

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They have their own challenges. And then you've gotta create this

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cohesive household with your own children. What does that look like? And how do

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you use cooking to do that? So I will scream

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from the rooftops that cooking is the biggest bang for our parenting buck

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cooking with our kids. And as soon as possible when I get a

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foster kiddo in, we make cookies because it

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touches all the points I wanna touch. I can model making a mistake. I

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can model just cleaning it up. I can help them understand that

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mistakes don't define them that we can just clean it up and

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move on. We can work on all the skills I'm not that that's a priority.

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We can just bond and connect. And I am inviting

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them into this realm that has been forbidden for so many of them. they

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can do no wrong. We're side by side and my bio

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daughter loves to come in and we become a team

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right off the bat and it is cookies really do

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save the world, I think. So -- I mean, what kid does love cookies?

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Right. And then we can enjoy them together. There's

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evidence of the cooperation that we had, evidence of the awesomeness of

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our time together, and evidence that they can do good

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because they have forgotten so much at the time that they can do good,

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that they are good. So I get to load up on their good the whole

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way through, touch on all five love languages as we're cooking and

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it's it's amazing. It changes everything right off the get go.

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fat is beautiful. I just it gives me goosebumps. It really gives me

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goosebumps. The other thing I think that's really cool about you getting those kids in

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the kitchen, the connection is amazing and so much of what my business is about.

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But I think we forget sometimes that cooking instill

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so many life skills from that cooperation, that connection, but

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also math skills, process,

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and probably a lot of these kids haven't had parents that are working with

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them on their homework and on those skills and had a problem solve when

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something isn't going right. And so it encompasses so much. Not only

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do I think it's really cool that you do that in general, but as that

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first connection point, that's so cool. And what a great way to

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get your kids involved in the process and show them what that looks

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like too. that's just beautiful.

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Just beautiful. So you've touched a little bit already, but

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you emphasize the importance of cooking with kids. How did you discover this unique

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avenue for enhancing that parent child connection. Right? Like, I know you're a

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parenting and behavior coach, but how did you discover that cooking was that

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thing? Is it just because you've always loved to cook or Was it an

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experiment? How did you discover that nugget?

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Right. So full transparency, I don't love cooking at all.

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Whatever. I had a preschool when my kiddo was 3,

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and we just started making our lunches together.

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And my preschool was way cool. Playbase,

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naturebase. We were outside fishing all the time for crawdads. We were building dams. We

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were making our tents outside playing in the mud. and the kiddos

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love cooking the most. Our cooking sessions for our lunch were an

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hour. They sat, they absorbed, and I discovered I could teach

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any skill or concept that I wanted them to really hone

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right there at the table making cookies or pancakes or

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what sandwiches or whatever I'm going for. And what I you touched on

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this a second ago, that math and building their vocabulary, and

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I loved my own transformation because There was a point when I focused on

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that more. But as I worked with kids more and more often, I

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discovered that emotional connection the social and emotional

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skills are always priority. So when we have

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that connection, then we can talk about nonutonian fluids, viscosities,

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fractions, all those things after that

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connection has been made. And so that was in my kiddos 3 in my

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pre goal and then I took that right into fostering. And in that

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middle interim piece, my daughter gets to explore in the kitchen

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as much as she wants, and she has a great sense of autonomy

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and self significance. And because she just gets to go

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and create in the kitchen, and we did have to put a boundary in place

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over time and do one. The one boundary is

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whatever you create can only

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result in two cups. at the end.

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And because we had bowls of things being created. And so

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we put a little bit of a boundary and The other thing that I

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actually write a lot on is hypocrisy in our

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parenting. And do I taste every dish she

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creates Absolutely. That is how we have trust. How

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often do we expect our kids to taste our things or

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taste all the things on their plate? I will 100%

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unless she has mixed baking soda and vinegar. I

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taste everything, and we'll rate it together. And We make

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videos about this. I have the cutest little video since the time she was for

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cooking in the kitchen by herself, me tasting it, and I was just

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giggling. And when those memories pop up, So fun. So

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I yeah. I just get giddy too. I get goosebumps too. What I wanna point

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out to our listeners is hear what Megan said. Children as young as the

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age of three can help you with something in the kitchen. It isn't

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something to wait until they're older. I moved out of the house and didn't

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know how to cook and ended up teaching myself. And I'm here now,

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but I would have loved that interaction in the

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kitchen to feel welcomed into that process

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that that road would have been easier. Now, obviously, this is the road I was

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supposed to be on, and that's great. but help your kids develop those life

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skills that they are gonna need when they move out. So they're not living on

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fast food and ramen. We all go through a ramen and mac and cheese season.

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Don't get me wrong. But we need to arm them with more than

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that. We need to arm them with more than that. So

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You talk a lot about modeling behavior. And in the

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kitchen, you really emphasize modeling quality behaviors for kids. Can you

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give some examples of the behaviors that parents can instill while

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cooking together? And I'm thinking like quality behaviors, not necessarily the

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math and the cooking. Mhmm. Yes.

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But I would love to take a step back and argue that

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Our kids can come into the kitchen. Month

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3, month 4. I had my kiddo sitting in the sink

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when she was four months old eating a raw beet. It looks like she was

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eating a rat. She saw it everywhere and that

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beet that beet tail and my kid will eat

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salads. She will eat anything. and

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when I have foster kiddos, they come in really with palettes that are

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very specific to certain foods, very processed foods, but

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as they come in, as they're empowered to explore, They end up

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eating so many of the things too because their bodies are fully immersed in

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creating the things. So 3 years

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younger can come into the kitchen and make sure they're safe. But when

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we squash opportunities and squash risks that really may

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not be there. I just invite us all to think, and maybe we can

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be a little bit more flexible with what we're doing. So Yeah. That's a really

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good point. I was more thinking from the, like, helping you cook perspective, but absolutely

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having them in there. I mean, somebody younger than 3 can rinse the green

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beans in the sink and sit there and eat while you're cooking. Like, that encouraging

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the trial of all the different kinds of foods as young as possible And then

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the other thing I would say, and we'll get into more of this. I think

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as we talk about picky eaters is it's not just about having them

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try it once. because our taste buds and our taste and our

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preferences change frequently throughout our lives.

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Mhmm. Flavors change based on how you cook things. Right? changes

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changes so much. It's alright. Just to stay on this one more

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second. Kittles is young as 1. They can have a bowl and they can have

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the components that you're cooking with just stirring in the bowl,

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tasting different things. And what we're doing here is developing

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their skill of focus. They want to be by you

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anyways. My my niece can stay with her

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mom for an hour. just stirring and

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whatever my sister is cooking and my niece can beat

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an hour with her mom just stirring things, random things, So

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we're developing so many different skills way beyond what we

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think. Yeah. And not just for them, but that makes me think of the moms

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that I talk to that are like, I have this newborn, and I

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have 3 toddlers. And I don't even have time to cook because I'm trying to

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wrangle them. It's a great perspective to bring them in and give

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them one task that's in there with you. And,

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yes, you might have a little bit more of a mess clean up. We're gonna

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talk about that too, but that will also allow

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them to learn how to help you do that. and give you a

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few more minutes to get that dinner on the table. Yes. So

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let's talk about perfectionism. Okay.

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How can parents let go of the pressure to be perfect in the

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kitchen and focus on that connection rather than the outcome? I know

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perfectionism is I'm a recovering perfectionist. And it really

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came out in how I attempted to cook for my family and a

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source of the frustration for me that kind of led me on this journey.

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And so I I'm really curious to hear your thoughts on those ideas.

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I would love to invite us all to think about perfectionism

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as to sort out the window because it's so limiting.

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And honestly, what the dish looks

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like doesn't matter. It's about the connect of how that

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dish came to be. And it's about

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us being present and being involved in the

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process. being present in the process. Those three p's let go of

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perfectionism because we're perfectly imperfect and

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if we just are present and are asking questions

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and just being part of the process, the food's gonna end up on the

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plate and we're gonna eat the food and the

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kitchen's gonna be messy. Yeah. But it's gonna be messy anyways.

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We're gonna spend the time anyways keeping the kids out of the kitchen, and then

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wondering where they are or just inviting them in, having them sit

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with bulls, we're gonna spend the time anyways.

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That's so true. And so much of what I work on in my programs is

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that mindset of how do we shift that energy of

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perfectionism of it feeling like a chore, the stress, the overwhelm, but

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having them, you know, all of those things into This

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is an opportunity to connect with my people, not

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an obligation. And we all have to eat. We're all gonna, like you said,

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spend the time anyway fixing the food and sitting down at the table. So we

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might as well make the most of that time. And so I

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really work with busy women and moms to really break down those barriers

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so that they can really approach it from that space because

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that stress comes out in the flavor of your food and in the quality of

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your food. Regardless of how it looks, we're not talking. Everything has to be gourmet

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or you have to do it every night of the week, but it does

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energy is contagious one way or the other. Yes. I would

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love to add, even if you can't or

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choose not to invite the kiddos in and have them all lined up with their

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own bulls, if you are getting a sense that one of your

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kiddos needs an extra bit of connection It can be so

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simple. Invite them in for 1 minute, cut the cheese, break the

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broccoli, whatever they can do, and then you can invite them to go back

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to their leggos. or go back to the TV, but you were

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able to connect with them for a minute, highlight how amazing they are.

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And then in 20 minutes, when you're all sitting down, You can say, by the

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way, everybody, little Jack here, cut the broccoli for us.

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How amazing is that? And then he gets to be appreciated, and then he'll want

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to repeat that behavior in the future. That's how we reinforce

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good behaviors also. Absolutely. Absolutely.

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Alright. So you shared a fascinating statistic with

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me. And one of the big

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challenges I hear from moms a lot is the challenge of

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picky eaters. Right? And so I've had a lot of

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conversations with women about what that looks like and different

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reasons why they might be picky. And I know that work can ruffle

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some feathers, but the truth is as parents, so that's how we look at it

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as picky eaters until we start understand why

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they're being picky, what's really behind that. And

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so you mentioned that well, I'm gonna let you share the

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statistic about how many times kids are told what to do and

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how that can really play into this realm, kiddos. And I was just

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talking with a colleague about this. kittles are told what to do. They're

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commanded or demanded 500 to a 1000

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times a day on average. And

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kiddos who have expressive and receptive challenges and behavior

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challenges are even commanded and demanded upon more. And

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so we are adding fuel to the fire. and they are going to

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bulk. They're going to fight. They're going to scream. They're going to ignore. They're

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going to insert their sense of self preservation.

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I always encourage my parent clients and all of us to always put

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ourselves in our children's shoes and just try to experience. For some perspective,

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what that could feel like. And so I

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personally try to tell my children what to do zero times a

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day. Now we have systems in place where they do the things they need to

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do with small, very light. What should you be doing

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right now? Or do you have a plan? like, what's going on? Like, I invite

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them. So it gives them power and control. We all need

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power and control, and we really need to and this goes

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right into cooking and picky eating, where are we as parents

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asserting and demanding and gaining our own power and control and

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why? and then how are our kiddos fighting back for their own

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power and control. So, you know,

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cooking or eating is just one thing

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that as long as we're providing the nutrients

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available to them, we can really let go

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of our need for control in this realm. Let it be

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about connection. Yes. Of course. There's kiddos with

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true sensory stuff that really there's

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really things going on, but so much of the time, our kiddos are

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just dying for some control. And so are we. And so we create

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this huge power struggle around dinner time, around meal

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times when honestly that's the time that should be most precious. most calm,

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most preserved for connection, and we kinda

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ruin it a lot of the time. In that study, actually of those

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commands and demands that 500 to a 1000, most of those are given around real

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time. 3 more bites. Take a taste of this. Why aren't you beating that? Go

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get a spoon. Quit snacking. all of those things.

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Kiddos have no choice but to bulk.

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That's really interesting. That's really interesting.

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So I guess what I would ask

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is you talked about having your systems in place

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and giving 0 demands a day, but let's

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say you've got a mom that's starting from ground 0, right, got

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a real struggle with a picky eater, and they don't have those

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systems in place. What's and I'm a big believer in starting

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small to create those stackable habits. Like, what are a

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couple of small things that she can do to start

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creating those systems to get on that path

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to not creating so many orders, if you will, or

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demands. So it it really comes from

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just looking at our own childhood stuff

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and what happened there and why we do the things we do because it

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makes a huge difference. We don't even know the things that we

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interpret it as kids and how they fester and pop up in us.

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One little system that I have in place for the cooking piece

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especially is what I call having a poopy mindset or

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doing the poopy approach. And so what this means is The

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first p is patient. We have to decide it's gonna be messy. We

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have to decide, you know what? I'm going to just

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breathe through this 10, 20 minutes, whatever it takes, it's gonna be messy, and

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that's okay. So patience. And then those two oves is oopsies

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into opportunities. So we are gonna be actually

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looking for those messes as opportunities. Oh, you ripped that bag of

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chocolate chips right open. Wow. Well, it's okay. I'll help you clean it up. I

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get the broom, or you think a rag would be better? We're giving them power.

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We're modeling these great behaviors. And

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then the other p is playful? Can we be

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playful at all? And this is where I love to touch on the 5 love

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languages myself, but if you're still starting at a

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foundational level. Just touching their back.

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Just aim to touch their back. Let and that lets them know that they mean

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a lot to you that you are thinking about them and you're

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ensuring they have a sense of significance and that alone

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is the number one thing to get better behavior. is when our children

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feel significant to us. And then

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if it's a yes, that last y for poopy, if it's a yes to all

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of those, Invite your kiddos in for as much time as you

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can and then there's one little

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system you have for success where you can just

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be present and let go of the perfectionism and be

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involved in the process. I love that. You talk a lot about

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control, and I think this is an opportunity where there's an

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opportunity to change the things that we want control over. And maybe

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it's resetting or reframing to have more

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control over or change the way that we plan the

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meals so that there's less fighting. And I don't mean cook all your

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kids' favorites every day. I mean things like cook something

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you know they enjoy, put something you know they enjoy on the plate,

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something you want them to try, and something that maybe they don't love, but you

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know that they'll eat it. Right? Because really pays

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dividends to, and I love to rotate the family's favorites.

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Right? And it doesn't mean I cook everybody's favorite meal, and I don't cook what

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I love. I always plan to cook what I love, but I incorporate things

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that I know that they will because then they know that they feel seen loved

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and heard, and they feel that sense of significance, right, And it's

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really about transforming meal time into that space.

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And there are so many different ways that we can do that.

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So I encourage anybody who's listening to we'll have all our contact

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information in the show notes. Obviously, reach out to Megan or reach out to me

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if these are things that you need help because our kids

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deserve it, and we deserve more at meal time. We all

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do for it to really be that sense that really piece of

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connection. Right? Yeah. It's yeah. There's lots of

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things we can do to give our kiddos power and control it. They're so desperately

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wanting it during mealtime so that they can inspire to cooperate

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during mealtime. It's a dance. It doesn't have to be a war. It

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really is a dance of give and take. and that's our best

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work and real time is so important. So I wanna come back to some

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actionable tips and strategies again because I feel like that the most helpful if

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you're talking to a mom who's at that foundational level. Right? We've talked about tips

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and tricks for less demands. tell us some of

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the guardrails. Like, you've mentioned, one with your daughter. I I say guardrails. You say

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boundaries, but in terms of, like, to bring them in,

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and let them have that sense of experimentation. You mentioned discovering that you

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needed to have it. It can't be in any bigger of a cup. Are there

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other guardrails or boundaries that you found to be helpful? And does that

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vary by age, or do you just have some kind of tried and trues that

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you found to be very helpful given the kids in your household. Right.

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Yeah. So I think one of the number one things we can do across the

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board every day is front load our expectations.

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if we want to if we can see our kid needs some connection and

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we know we've got a lot to do, we really don't want all the kids

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in the kitchen, that's perfectly fine. But if we want that one kid to come

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in for that one minute, we can say we can front load that

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expectation. So we could say you know, hey, buddy. Come here. I

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have a question for you. And then so they're gonna come and then you can

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say, I just need a little bit of help. Would you like to know,

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we we wanna give a choice. Would you like to cut the cheese really quickly,

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or would you like to break some broccoli? And then you can go right back.

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Would you like to do that? I only need help for one minute. and

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they're most likely going to say yes. And then they're gonna get some power because

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they get to choose which one. And then you've front loaded one minute,

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then you can send them back and they are loaded up. And while they're doing

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that, you can give them a back rub, whisper in their ear, Thanks, buddy, so

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much. I love being by you. You light me up.

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And then thank him, and then he can go. And so that front loading,

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no matter what it is, we're going to the park. We're gonna be here 30

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minutes. What's our plan for getting back to the car? So front

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loading is such a powerful strategy, just letting our kiddos know

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the expectations ahead of time. Even better is

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asking them Hey. What's we're going to the parks. What's our expectations here?

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When they tell us, they're giving us buy in.

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I hope that the framing of a of I need help

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and which of these things would you rather do? Yeah. It's not get in

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here and help me. It's not I need you to do this.

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Yes. I I hope that whoever's listening can and or watching

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can really feel how that

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changes the the energy and the tone of that conversation.

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I with you, I also get parents saying my kid hates cooking, and I'm

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like, that is so interesting and so telling to

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me. So we wherever you are in the cooking journey,

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when we invite. So, hey, buddy. I have a quick question. Would you like to

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cook with me? I have about 1 minute or anyway. And if they say

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no, say, oh, okay. Cool. Maybe next time. This is

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about connection. We cannot make it about control.

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I love that. You hit on something else earlier about

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really as parents and perfectionism and looking back to our own

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childhoods. And I've had some amazing conversations with

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different moms and different women, and it really is that relationship when you

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hear, I hate cooking or I don't like cooking at all. It's really

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interesting to really dig into what created

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that. And not always. What I want you to think about is it's not always

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negative experiences. I had a friend Lynette Williams on the

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podcast a couple of weeks ago And hers was

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always wanting to have her own nontraditional. She didn't wanna

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follow that same traditional lifestyle. that she grew up

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with. And she said, I loved having my mom home. I

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loved that she cooked for us all the time. I just knew that I didn't

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want that to be my life. And that transformed

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into, I don't think I like cooking because to her,

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that meant following in those footsteps One thing I wanna say, it's not always

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a negative that's causing us to have those feelings and those

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beliefs. Right? And so really thinking about

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that and then deciding if you look at your

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meal time routine today, Whether it's your own or with your

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kids, do you like the energy that you're bringing to the experience? And if

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you don't, Let's change it. Yeah.

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Right. Yes. And be willing to reflect

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back on our childhoods and see was our parent resistant to us coming

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in, like, where and maybe it was not a negative thing just like you said,

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but we all have these

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triggers that pop up and are we

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repeating those patterns with our kids? Are we, you know, how is that

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looking? And just being curious and loving and grace, lots of

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grace with ourselves and with our parents. They did the best they could with the

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tools they had. I fully, fully, if we can believe

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that, then I think we'll all be on a different level of consciousness,

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but it's just if you have resistance, where is that coming from?

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And Yeah. Just being curious. Yeah. And if you wanna have a

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conversation about it, by all means, book a call with me. I'm gonna hand

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it over to Megan to tell us what she's got going on, where you can

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get in touch with her. And I do believe you have, like, a list of

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top 20 benefits of cooking with kids you can share. I can.

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Yeah. So it would be awesome. If you're interested in learning more, you can go

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to connect to kids thrive.com. Find me on Facebook. I have a big parenting

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group where we're cooking. Yes. But if you're there, if you're not there, you

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can kinda see what's going on and lots of strategies on how to

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empower kids to listen and cooperate. the first time or even

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before the first time so we can get away from that 500 to a 1000

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demands and commands so that we have harmonious, joyful,

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households again. Yeah. You can find me there. And, yes, you

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can reach out to me and request that or we may put it in the

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show notes. I have do you have a document of 20

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amazing benefits of cooking with kids that

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we should all be if we can receptive to. So it's

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amazing. My challenge to you listeners is when you get that

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20 benefits, just look at 1. Figure

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out. Just think about one of them. And how can you take

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one small step toward that? Just one small step. We're not we're not

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talking about trying to change everything all at one because that's when we set ourselves

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up for failure and we go right back into that perfectionism cycle. Right?

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Gotta do it all right now. I'm gonna go from here to here. Okay. So

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I realized I forgot to ask you my favorite

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kickoff of the interviews. Isn't well, it was supposed to be an

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icebreaker question, but today, we're just gonna call it a fun Are you ready?

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Uh-huh. If you had to compete in an eating contest,

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what food would you choose to consume and why?

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my guy's telling me spaghetti because I think it'd be so hilarious. I

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don't watching the or I don't know. Although the noodles slapping against

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your all the slurping noises. The slurping and

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I think it'd go down the throat easy as long as they're with the big

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meatballs. That's a

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great answer. I'm gonna keep this one up this week, and I'm this is gonna

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be my question of the week for everybody I come in contact with. And it's

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a fun one. I don't know what mine would

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be. Let's think about that. Mine would probably be

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popcorn. I can eat a lot of buttered

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popcorn. Now I might make myself sick, but I can do it. Then you never

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want popcorn again. That would be -- Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I haven't

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found that to be true yet. True. Okay. Offwards.

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Amazing. Thank you so much for joining us. It has been such a

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pleasure. We will be sure to drop all the links in the show notes

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And if you're interested in the previous podcast episode with Lannett

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about nontraditional breaking those traditions,

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So go back and check that out, and I will talk to you all

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Tricia Clark - Mealtime Mentor & Kitchen Witch - Making Mealtime Fun, Simple, and Stress-Free for Busy Families

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